Starting your own DDoS VPS Hosting

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I talked to a wonderful human within IRC and he explained in a bird's-eye view what goes into starting a VPS hosting company.

A brief overview of what startup costs may be can be found over here ($200 to $5,000+). While you can pay $1,000 monthly to get started, imagine making $4.99 per virtual server x 1,000 = $4,990 monthly. That can quickly become $47,880 yearly in profits, an okay salary for most but as you grow you must offer support, increased scalability, and perhaps launch marketing campaigns.

Click the image link below to receive $50 to test Vultr hosting (good for reselling web hosting for example):


The same applies to starting your own DDoS protected VPS hosting. You ultimately find a good colocation hosting provider. Build maybe 10 servers that all cost about $50 monthly in loans, so total $500 monthly and this gives you 200 cores, 640GB ram, and plentiful TBs of storage. From there, you get a 10u rack and pool everything together preferably using XCP-ng, an open source alternative to XenServer.

From there, you need to just get the right hardware/software in at the right colocation hosting provider, some hosts that come to mind are https://www.hyperfilter.com/colocation/ .. https://www.quadranet.com/miami-colocation .. https://serverius.net/colocation/private-rack-colocation/ .. https://www.voxility.com/colocation/prices .. https://www.equinix.com/data-centers/colocation/ .. https://he.net/colocation.html Includes 42U Cabinet, Power, 1 Gbps Internet bandwidth Limit one per customer .. https://www.colocationamerica.com/colocation/quarter-rack-colocation.htm .. make sure to shop around and find the best 10Gbps provider.

Keep in mind DDoS protection can equally be the colocation provider's responsibility but also the server host, for example if you build out your rack with a router. One could use "Remote Triggered Black Hole" and people have heard of the term null route before.

Cloudflare is very powerful, "Instead of using dedicated anti-DDoS hardware, every machine in its global network takes part in DDoS mitigation. It has over 15 Tbps of capacity."

Another insightful read can be found over here. When considering the idea of applying DDoS hardware, sometimes they can cost anywhere from $10,000 to $80,000 and I have even noticed some firewalls are more expensive than this. Using appropriate filters to block specific attacks and harnessing the power of cloud DDoS protection (like Cloudflare for web hosting customers) makes much more sense for business profitability.

R4P3: Anyone alive here?

someIrcUser: I'm always alive

R4P3: Awesome, I am alive too. I was wondering if hMailServer is fast as an SMTP service?

~Interviewee: yup

R4P3: Like.. I am looking for the "fastest" SMTP relay..

~Interviewee: depends on CPU and internet connection

R4P3: I might do some benchmarks and want to be fair. Is there a good way to do that.. kinda hard between Linux/Windows you know? :\

~Interviewee: what are you looking for exactly? how many messages per day?

R4P3: Have a XenForo forum.. looking to auto-send notices about forum posts but also weekly announcements. So be able to send ~70K emails.. in fairly reasonable time.

~Interviewee: you give it a bunch of delivery threads and an unlimted pipe, it'll do that in no time - most speed reduction on relaying mail are the local and remote pipe sizes - if those emails are plain text, it'll be much faster than messages with html and graphics - it doesn't take long to process an authentication, recieve email from client (forum), move to delivery queue and start delivering - talking ms if your server is plenty fast (SSD/15K rpm drives, lots of ram, 10Gb ethernet, many fast cores) - if the reciever, tho, is on a T1 and you're trying to force down a 5MB email, the T1 will be the limiting factor

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R4P3: That'll be exciting to do some comparisons... I'm thinking of doing a top email server software review. I have this dedicated server: https://zare.com/dedicated-servers/info/95

~Interviewee: not very many threads

R4P3: Do you have a recommendation on a good dedicated server? I am willing to spend up to $500/m on a server.

~Interviewee: buy one then co-lo it - just did a 40 thread (20 core) 64GB ram, 1TB raid 1 7200 rpm, 1.8TB raid 1 15k rpm dell server for a client... - $50/mo - room for 6 more drives in it - that uses smartermail and its way more IO instensive, and it chews through email - it also isn't a relayer

R4P3: Wow!! That sounds insane.. how much did the server itself cost or is that a lease?

~Interviewee: I think $5k, dell had a sale - that's payment on a loan

~Interviewee: PowerEdge R630 Server - $6500

R4P3: Oh!! $50/month is payment on a loan.. for the ~$5k on sale server. I love Dell, that sounds like a pretty good option.

R4P3: That sounds like a VERY good setup. Tempting to go that route!! Do you favor a specific host for co-lo? - I've never sent a server somewhere, I'd be slightly paranoid sending a $5k system "My baby.."

~Interviewee: check locally - https://www.voxility.com/colocation/prices/ashburn-reston - for colo, you get charged if they have to do the work - throw in your own router, a big box with VMs

R4P3: Dang.. I'm assuming virtualizing makes sense. - Ahh, you beat me.

~Interviewee: those "dedicated servers" are likely a vm

R4P3: For highly targeted DDoS, do you personally prefer a specific host/hardware.. for example I'd hate to ship my servers somewhere - then get suspended X____0 eeeeek. - Last question :p sorry man.. you've been way helpful.

~Interviewee: host/hardware, they're pretty much all the same - I run XCP-ng, but there's not much difference

R4P3: Whoa, Xen Orchestra looks pretty.

~Interviewee: its pretty good, but doesn't do somethings as well as the native console, then does thing better than the native console ;D

R4P3: I have only used VMware but I'd be interested to research more into XCP-ng, thanks heaps.

~Interviewee: we use vmware at the work front, and I use that at the side job front ;D

R4P3: Makes sense, VMware is damn pricey.. where XCP-ng looks to save $.

~Interviewee: yeah, its all of the OSS parts of Citrix Xenserver - and as such, everything is unlocked

R4P3: Sounds like the "best bang for the buck". Now I am over here drooling about starting my own VPS hosting..

~Interviewee: yup, now you see how those guys can make a killing ;D - get 10 of those servers, plus a 10u rack, 10Gb ethernet - pool everything - may need a san if you really want to move stuff around
 
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Attached is the PDF document covering all of the ways to start anti-DDoS hosting. Please reply to this thread with questions/ideas.. we can maybe help shape this document together.

If this has helped you, please consider upgrading to VIP for only $4.99 - https://r4p3.net/account/upgrades
 

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That is strange, without your account information they likely will not be helpful and their billing-related support is weekdays (normal for many hosting providers).

If you are able to create a billing ticket at https://my.vultr.com/support/create_ticket/ and ask why you were not rewarded $50, that would be awesome!

I verified the link, appears to match with their $50 credit promotion.
 

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Hi @ Asphyxia,

you wrote in the PDF File : " Cloudflare has a WHMCS module "

This is unfortunately not completely correct, yes there is a module unfortunately this is not executable with the current WHMCS version. Cloudflare has also discontinued support for this module. --> Cloudflare support Blog

Greetings ace
 

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Hi @ Asphyxia,

you wrote in the PDF File : " Cloudflare has a WHMCS module "

This is unfortunately not completely correct, yes there is a module unfortunately this is not executable with the current WHMCS version. Cloudflare has also discontinued support for this module. --> Cloudflare support Blog

Greetings ace

you can still buy it there

In case there is a real need for the original module to be extended I can do that too.
 

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Same only 10$
All my refcodes should be linking to the $50 Vultr gift link.

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@Plenet_OTAKU if you can also submit a support ticket and ask why you are not getting $50, I am curious what they say.

"The users you refer receive $50 to test out our platform*." ... "* Duplicate accounts not eligible."

If you are creating duplicate accounts for this, that could be the issue.
 

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Tho' their protection is also very good as I heard
The most expensive part can be shipping, but they do offer great packages . Staying as local as possible for your first server(s) is good if price is a concern at all.

With that being said, if price is acceptable or not an issue.. Serverius rocks!!

Check these nice reviews on them: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1284906 and http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1579399

Keep in mind you will always have reviews stating something is overpriced, e.g. "I've been with Serverius quite a few times, I wouldn't recommend it. They are severely over priced for what they offer and the DDoS Protection, however if you are fine with paying more than what you should then it's a good company." meanwhile others offer insight like "Pricing on rack space is extremely cheap however and the bundle of remote hands etc makes it really good but may want to consider building, shame about the network but bandwidth is really cheap (eg. 1g unmetered on their single 1u colo for <70eur)"

You will find mixed reviews everywhere. Trying all "the best" is the only way to find your favorite (what is best for you)! :)
 

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The most expensive part can be shipping, but they do offer great packages . Staying as local as possible for your first server(s) is good if price is a concern at all.

With that being said, if price is acceptable or not an issue.. Serverius rocks!!

Check these nice reviews on them: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1284906 and http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1579399

Keep in mind you will always have reviews stating something is overpriced, e.g. "I've been with Serverius quite a few times, I wouldn't recommend it. They are severely over priced for what they offer and the DDoS Protection, however if you are fine with paying more than what you should then it's a good company." meanwhile others offer insight like "Pricing on rack space is extremely cheap however and the bundle of remote hands etc makes it really good but may want to consider building, shame about the network but bandwidth is really cheap (eg. 1g unmetered on their single 1u colo for <70eur)"

You will find mixed reviews everywhere. Trying all "the best" is the only way to find your favorite (what is best for you)! :)
And just saw cpanel you get with your server/s.
You can nullroute IP's, check realtime on everything, billing part, everything is automated and you can do what you want if few clicks

Plus, they can install servers hardware for you and server will be ready in same day
 

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And just saw cpanel you get with your server/s.
Make sure to know cPanel is separate from WHM and WHMCS. There is:
1. cPanel
2. WHM (can come with cPanel) for more $
3. WHMCS (even more $)

If you do not want to go the cPanel route, some others I have heard are great include

Even better? You can target WordPress hosting (sites like WPEngine do this), then just use something like https://easyengine.io/ or even build your own WordPress package loaded with security/caching (speed), etc.

Geekflare has a pretty bad @$$ tutorial on setting up WP sites usin' Redis: https://geekflare.com/wordpress-setup-docker.. wrap that all behind Cloudflare (perhaps using a Cloudflare API key)..

There are also some ~$30/m services to offer pretty powerful cloud solutions like "content serving and caching with our powerful request routing feature based on HAProxy. Nginx, lighttpd, apache".. https://clustercs.com/ or deploy apps (alternative to Softaculous) https://cloudron.io/index.html

Want to avoid plentiful headaches in managing servers? This guy typed up a very lovely posting to save you from repeating his headaches.
 

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When you hear back (probably sometime tomorrow), please let me know what they say, thank you.
Vultr got back with me. the rules are that a $25 minimum credit deposit and a credit card linked via them directly or via paypal is required, after that the account has to be more then 30 days active after registration then the $50 will be added.
 

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